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"All is forgiven"? What is this cartoon saying? Have you seen any cartoons from this shitrag that a) are funny, or b) make any sense? If so please post. If not, then why jump on the bandwagon?
Do fuck off - religion, particularly this savage one, still blights our lives, we need to mock, ridicule, and generally take the piss out of all of them without mercy.
"It certainly is not part of the best western tradition to insult the revered figures of major religions. You are, of course, technically free to do so in many western countries – always remembering that in many of them, a wrong target for your satire will get you a prison term for “hate crimes” – but it does represent little more than poor judgement and extremely bad taste to exercise that particular freedom. What Charlie Hebdo does is not journalism, it is sophomoric jokes and thinly disguised propaganda. Hebdo’s general tone and themes place it completely outside the mythic tableau of heroic defender of free speech or daring journalism"
Western civilization’s creed is free thought and expression, the lubricant of everything from democracy to human rights.
Even a simpleton in the West accepts that protecting free expression is not the easy task of ensuring the right to read Homer’s Iliad or do the New York Times crossword puzzle. It entails instead the unpleasant duty of allowing offensive expression.
Westerners fight against pornography, blasphemy, or hate speech in the arena of ideas by writing and speaking out against such foul expression. They are free to sue, picket, boycott, and pressure sponsors of unwelcome speech. But Westerners cannot return to the Middle Ages to murder those whose ideas they don’t like.
“Parody” and “satire” are, respectively, Greek and Latin words. In antiquity the non-Western tradition simply did not produce authors quite like the vicious Aristophanes, Petronius, and Juvenal, who unapologetically trashed the society around them. If the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo loses the millennia-old right to ridicule Islam from within a democracy, then there is no longer a West, at least as we know it.
Free thought & expression is crucial to any form of freedom, and democracy depends on it utterly. So we're agreed on that. As Voltaire said "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
I am not advocating restrictions on free speech, but the governments of the UK & France are and do. Dieudonne is an excellent example, as is Sine - previously employed by Charlie Hebdo. So far the French Govt has arrested 54 (and counting) for exercising free speech in support of the attack. It's the hypocrisy which chafes.
Holocaust denial - i.e. the exercise of free speech - is illegal in 17 countries - including France. I have no opinion on the event, but the censorship is wrong. It is not acceptable to have free speech to insult one religion, but not another. Religions should all be equally open to criticism, and history should always be open to discussion.
If we don't have the right to criticise *anything or anyone* then the 'West' is already lost...
What the 54 have been arrested for is, as I understand it, "actions in support of multiple executions by three religious zealots". I'm guessing that this is some sort of "accessory after the fact" approach, although not being familiar with french law, it might be something else entirely.
As for holocaust related laws many of them were ill-thought out and introduced a a knee-jerk reaction in the post-1945 era, and were a bad thing. Had I been about then I'd have thought so, and I definitely think that they're bad laws now. I'm not even against people having crack-pot religious beliefs, but what i am against is allowing those beliefs to play any part in any aspect of daily life outside the fruitcake's own home.
Carlie Booker wrote of Charlie Hebdo in the Sunday Telegraph, eureferendum blog has the column available there. I rather like his spin, I also think that if I were French I would read CH mag.
"All is forgiven"?
ReplyDeleteWhat is this cartoon saying?
Have you seen any cartoons from this shitrag that a) are funny, or b) make any sense? If so please post.
If not, then why jump on the bandwagon?
Do fuck off - religion, particularly this savage one, still blights our lives, we need to mock, ridicule, and generally take the piss out of all of them without mercy.
DeleteYou can start with this one then:
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uVV2Dcqt0
The sort of left-wing fuck-wit who redefines religion to suit their own stance, and another rag-head apologist to boot.
DeleteSociety really doesn't need oxygen theives like you.
"It certainly is not part of the best western tradition to insult the revered figures of major religions. You are, of course, technically free to do so in many western countries – always remembering that in many of them, a wrong target for your satire will get you a prison term for “hate crimes” – but it does represent little more than poor judgement and extremely bad taste to exercise that particular freedom. What Charlie Hebdo does is not journalism, it is sophomoric jokes and thinly disguised propaganda. Hebdo’s general tone and themes place it completely outside the mythic tableau of heroic defender of free speech or daring journalism"
ReplyDeletehttps://alethonews.wordpress.com/2015/01/13/je-ne-suis-pas-charlie/
Western civilization’s creed is free thought and expression, the lubricant of everything from democracy to human rights.
DeleteEven a simpleton in the West accepts that protecting free expression is not the easy task of ensuring the right to read Homer’s Iliad or do the New York Times crossword puzzle. It entails instead the unpleasant duty of allowing offensive expression.
Westerners fight against pornography, blasphemy, or hate speech in the arena of ideas by writing and speaking out against such foul expression. They are free to sue, picket, boycott, and pressure sponsors of unwelcome speech. But Westerners cannot return to the Middle Ages to murder those whose ideas they don’t like.
“Parody” and “satire” are, respectively, Greek and Latin words. In antiquity the non-Western tradition simply did not produce authors quite like the vicious Aristophanes, Petronius, and Juvenal, who unapologetically trashed the society around them. If the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo loses the millennia-old right to ridicule Islam from within a democracy, then there is no longer a West, at least as we know it.
Free thought & expression is crucial to any form of freedom, and democracy depends on it utterly. So we're agreed on that. As Voltaire said "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
DeleteI am not advocating restrictions on free speech, but the governments of the UK & France are and do. Dieudonne is an excellent example, as is Sine - previously employed by Charlie Hebdo. So far the French Govt has arrested 54 (and counting) for exercising free speech in support of the attack. It's the hypocrisy which chafes.
Holocaust denial - i.e. the exercise of free speech - is illegal in 17 countries - including France. I have no opinion on the event, but the censorship is wrong. It is not acceptable to have free speech to insult one religion, but not another. Religions should all be equally open to criticism, and history should always be open to discussion.
If we don't have the right to criticise *anything or anyone* then the 'West' is already lost...
What the 54 have been arrested for is, as I understand it, "actions in support of multiple executions by three religious zealots". I'm guessing that this is some sort of "accessory after the fact" approach, although not being familiar with french law, it might be something else entirely.
DeleteAs for holocaust related laws many of them were ill-thought out and introduced a a knee-jerk reaction in the post-1945 era, and were a bad thing. Had I been about then I'd have thought so, and I definitely think that they're bad laws now. I'm not even against people having crack-pot religious beliefs, but what i am against is allowing those beliefs to play any part in any aspect of daily life outside the fruitcake's own home.
Carlie Booker wrote of Charlie Hebdo in the Sunday Telegraph, eureferendum blog has the column available there. I rather like his spin, I also think that if I were French I would read CH mag.
ReplyDelete