tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508346572086151757.post1205292344418702922..comments2024-01-09T00:39:13.955+00:00Comments on Oh what NOW!: Who’s correct?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508346572086151757.post-31884886934101122882012-05-12T08:47:05.598+01:002012-05-12T08:47:05.598+01:00Oh, and here's a link to an archive showing th...Oh, and here's a link to an archive showing that the document was on the Ministry of Justice website - top of the list...but maybe it was just too informative.<br /><br /><br />http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http:/www.justice.gov.uk/publications/raceandcjs-archive.htmDerekPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508346572086151757.post-21919328634418846582012-05-12T08:27:23.619+01:002012-05-12T08:27:23.619+01:00Regarding the BBC and their 'clever' use o...Regarding the BBC and their 'clever' use of statistics:<br /><br />1 - As police forces were ignoring certain crimes for many years, previous statistics are going to be a bit lop-sided (against white people, which suits the Beeb agenda).<br /><br />This does also make past Home Office statistics pretty unreliable - blame the politicised police - but the official doc I use as source is still very useful to see the oddly-limited way the ethnic data was collected.<br /><br /><br />2 - The BBC may also 'cleverly' have been asking police forces directly for ethnic/religious information on crimes, and the various forces are not all consistent with this info* (doc listed below - Chapter 2) so some forces may have provided crime stats with no associated ethnic component.<br /><br />Purely as an example, this could allow some unethical person to portray these imaginary stats for a specific crime:<br />25% - white<br />25% - 'Asian'<br />50% - ethnicity unrecorded<br />as, instead:<br />'25% of white people commit this crime',<br />which we can all see would be heavily misleading, and <i>[sarc on]</i> I'm sure the Beeb would never do this <i>[sarc off]</i>.<br /><br />It may be particularly helpful to the Beeb that police forces' records of ethnicity may also be 'usefully' lop-sided because of these extracts (doc linked below - Chapter 2) [my emphasis in bold]:<br /><br />a - <i>Initially monitoring was based upon the police officer’s visual perception of the ethnic appearance of the suspect/victim, using four categories<br />(White, Black, Asian and ‘Other’).<br />From 1 April 2003, in addition to the visual assessment using the 4-point classification, it has been<br />mandatory for all police forces to record <b>ethnicity by self-assessment by the suspect</b> using the 16-point<br />classification used in the 2001 Census.</i><br /><br />b - <i>From 1 January 2009, police officers are only required to <b>record the self-identified ethnicity (and not the ethnic appearance)</b> of the individual asked to stop and account.</i><br /><br />So it's either the all-encompassing label 'Asian', or the 16-point classification and the same criminal can be described as Asian, British Asian, Pakistani or whatever he chooses. We know the Beeb have previously just been reporting on the one label - 'Asian' - so that's probably how they're working their stats.<br /><br /><br />3 - The current statistics for the particular crime we're discussing are probably from Crown Court - *<i>"All Crown Court centres were asked to include information on ethnic origin on all new cases received from October 2001 based upon information included in case papers"</i>.<br />Not that this has done a lot of good where <b>favoured criminal groups were not prosecuted, or not pursued by the police</b>.<br /><br /><br />Also, the document listed below is quite hard to find now. I couldn't find it on any of the Ministry of Justice webpages, where it has been superceded by shorter documents which seem not to be completely clear on the poor recording of data, which is covered in Chapter 2 'Developments in ethnic monitoring', and is only a short read.<br /><br />However, I did find this large (over 200 page) document, which I think is worth downloading, at:<br />http://www.stamp-it-out.co.uk/docs/stats_race_criminal_justice_system_0708.pdf<br /><br /><br />* Extracts and information taken from:<br />"Statistics on Race and the Criminal Justice System 2007/08<br /><br />A Ministry of Justice publication under Section 95<br />of the Criminal Justice Act 1991"<br /><br />Extracts taken from - Chapter 2 Developments in ethnic monitoring<br /><br />Information taken from - Appendix B, Table 'Classifications of ethnicity'DerekPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508346572086151757.post-34509591784940131662012-05-11T12:34:20.140+01:002012-05-11T12:34:20.140+01:00"once an army was conquered by the big "..."once an army was conquered by the big "M" (A Jewish army I believe)he told his soldiers to kill any men, and take their wives"<br /><br />The Banu Qurayza. Who lived in what is now Medina.Surreptitious Evilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15393411103584747731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508346572086151757.post-968895702423846562012-05-09T12:55:09.676+01:002012-05-09T12:55:09.676+01:00If this isn't proof that a certain religion is...If this isn't proof that a certain religion is completely incompatible with Western society then I don't know what is. Yes we have our own problems / scumbags but two wrongs don't make a right ! We are importing uneducated feudal communities from the sub continent into our environment and expecting them to conform. They simply carry on in the manner they know how - corruption, cheating, criminal activity, medieval attitudes and customs ... I don't blame them, I blame our successive leaders for allowing it to happen. It'll all end in tearsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508346572086151757.post-48800091950885748972012-05-09T12:16:39.394+01:002012-05-09T12:16:39.394+01:00Update: it was Sophie RaworthUpdate: it was Sophie RaworthTheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508346572086151757.post-20265570054027531622012-05-09T12:15:44.392+01:002012-05-09T12:15:44.392+01:00I saw the same news TFE - boy were the BBC relucta...I saw the same news TFE - boy were the BBC reluctant and even when the presenter eventually did mention it (I forget her name now) it was along the lines: "some say it's racially motivated" she then forcefully added "but everyone else says it's not, so there!"<br /><br />Not quite verbatim but as well have been.TheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508346572086151757.post-56599210858391473872012-05-09T11:24:45.395+01:002012-05-09T11:24:45.395+01:00Thanks for all the comments on this emotive subjec...Thanks for all the comments on this emotive subject. I have long since lost trust in the BBC's reporting of many problems with society. Therefore I always look around for more balanced reporting.The Filthy Engineerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07584236558282159183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508346572086151757.post-25210974597340046002012-05-09T10:28:18.259+01:002012-05-09T10:28:18.259+01:00Not many bloggers have so far had the courage to c...Not many bloggers have so far had the courage to comment on this case.Thank you. The BBC coverage was shameful. No one is trying to sweep 'white' grooming or rape of girls under the carpet, but the scale of this trafficking is beyond anything I have ever heard about in this country. We know that women have been brought here and forced to live as prostitutes by East European gangs but it is the targetting of white girls that makes it so shocking. There is no mention of who the customers of this prostitution ring were. <br /><br />This is about a group of men of Pakistani/Afghan muslim origin. How can this not have a racial dimension? Racism seems to work in only one direction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508346572086151757.post-15244154999440111582012-05-09T05:29:07.576+01:002012-05-09T05:29:07.576+01:00This site goes a long way to explaining how the re...This site goes a long way to explaining how the religion of peace came to treat women.<br /><br />http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/025-Muhammads-sex-life.htm<br /><br />Here's a sample of the page for those who don't have time to read it all.<br /><br />Question:<br /><br />Was Islam's "perfect man" sexually restrained?<br /><br />Summary Answer:<br /><br />Muhammad had sex with just about anyone he pleased, thanks to Allah's extraordinary interest in his personal sex life, as immortalized in the Qur'an.<br /><br />Although the Qur'an didn't appear to have enough space for topics like universal love and brotherhood (which Muslims sometimes insist are there, but aren't), the list of sexual partners that Muhammad was entitled to is detailed more than once, sometimes in categories and sometimes in reference to specific persons (ie. Zaynab and Mary).<br /><br />Muhammad was married to thirteen women, including eleven at one time. He relegated them to either consecutive days or (according to some accounts) all in one night. He married a 9-year-old girl and even his adopted son's wife. On top of that, Muhammad had a multitude of slave girls and concubines with whom he had sex - sometimes on the very days in which they had watched their husbands and fathers die at the hands of his army.<br /><br />So, by any realistic measure, the creator of the world's most sexually restrictive religion was also one of the most sexually indulgent characters in history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508346572086151757.post-12673892736801462392012-05-09T01:46:39.999+01:002012-05-09T01:46:39.999+01:00Someone please explain the BBC logic in stating th...Someone please explain the BBC logic in stating that because there are white paedophiles committing similar crimes that instantly negates this case, with Asian men and young white girls, from being racially motivated. <br /><br />If that’s how it works then the murder of Stephen Lawrence wouldn't have been racist, because there are black youths that commit similar knife crimes.Lynn Gracenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508346572086151757.post-84688073820085959512012-05-08T22:46:06.491+01:002012-05-08T22:46:06.491+01:00Fair makes yer proud to be British, dunnit?Fair makes yer proud to be British, dunnit?ancient + tattered airmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508346572086151757.post-11278418380377608232012-05-08T22:35:57.166+01:002012-05-08T22:35:57.166+01:00I am sure there is something in the Koran (I am no...I am sure there is something in the Koran (I am not an avid reader of the book), that once an army was conquered by the big "M" (A Jewish army I believe)he told his soldiers to kill any men, and take their wives...is this "grooming" not a parody of what Mo did?...Rochdale is conquered, the men, defeated, (no work for whitey there, but plenty of taxi and takeaway work for the muzzbots)therefore, they "take" the defeated army's women...it is written, so it shall be done, after all, the words of Mo are the words of god.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508346572086151757.post-63188175642083059892012-05-08T21:10:59.878+01:002012-05-08T21:10:59.878+01:00They just want to bury their heads in the sand and...They just want to bury their heads in the sand and hope that the problem doesn't exist. I'd hang Keith Vaz tomorrow, if I had my way.<br /><br />Now I've said that I expect my front door will be kicked in, in the early hours tomorrow.<br /><br />IT WAS A JOKE, YOUR HONOUR!The Filthy Engineerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07584236558282159183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508346572086151757.post-14179758938491095642012-05-08T20:59:56.935+01:002012-05-08T20:59:56.935+01:00The Beeb's main website page is equally vague,...The Beeb's main website page is equally vague, reiterating the statement:-<br /><br />" .......police insist the grooming was not "racially motivated"."<br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17989463<br /><br />But on a subsidiary page, the truth comes out, despite the police & Keith Vaz being in denial:-<br /><br />"But police said grooming was "not a racial issue" and MP Keith Vaz also said "no particular race or religion" tended to be involved.<br /><br />The <b>comments followed the convictions of eight Pakistanis and one Afghan man of child sex offences</b> in Rochdale, Greater Manchester.<br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-17996245Joe Publichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07829909061904690380noreply@blogger.com